> I think the evidence is slightly in favor of Tamil > Sanskrit because "bhaga" is also a name for female genitalia in Sanskrit. Many words which are considered to be of Sanskrit words are actually of Tamil origin. Sage Agastya took delight in me They believed that Siva’s drum Damaruka gave Sanskrit from … – On contrary, Sanskrit must be made national language and used as a a unifying agent for entire India. So yes, Tamil is not derived from classical Sanskrit. The anti-Hindus and communists may argue this way. It is my heritage that I am proud of. The login page will open in a new tab. Topic started by vinay (@ adsl-67-39-3-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) on Wed Oct 22 22:07:56 . Ancient Tamils believed that Lord Shiva gave two languages to the Hindus: Sanskrit and Tamil. You really come across as a loser in this debate. CHETTIAR செட்டியார் Indian, Tamil, Malayalam Refers to a member of any of the various South Indian castes of traders, businessmen, and merchants. Vedas is the mother. Both have similar case suffixes and alphabetical order. Sanskrit. An. Hence the term Tamil used in this article must be taken to mean words found in Tamil, and not necessarily words of pure Tamil stock. But if they disown the mother Vedas – they remain nothing more than some sound waves that any computer can make these days. To This helped preserve Vedic culture without dilutions. January 11, 2019 • 1:20 am. ( Log Out /  Many people classify words having sound like Sanskrit as Sanskrit words. The foundation of Hinduism is that Vedas are Apaurusheya (timeless and not created by humans). CHANDRAN சந்திரன் Indian, Malayalam, Tamil Derived from Sanskrit चन्द्र (candrá) meaning "glittering, shining" or "moon". What is the logic behind it? For instance, there are two terms used in Tamil grammar, pakuti (pahuti) and vikuti (vihuti). Among advanced languages I stood THE GEETHA AUTHOR CEARLY SAYS THAT VARNAS ARE BASED ON GUNAS AND KARMAS ARE AS A RESULT OF GUNAS . Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. DILEEP திலீப் m Indian, Hindi, Marathi, Malayalam, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu Alternate transcription of Hindi/Marathi दिलीप, Malayalam ദിലീപ്, Kannada ದಿಲೀಪ್, Tamil திலீப் or Telugu దిలీప్ (see DILIP). Tamil Letter “Aa” All the south Indian Dravidian languages and many other southeast Asian languages ,African languages are derived from Tamil. First they will tell sound and If we give prompt reply then they will choose evidence and written proof they are well versed in this tact. Here are some examples. The spiritual foundation of Tamils, just like other Hindus, is sourced from Vedas. If it is found that (and I have considerable doubt) kuruntam is derived from sanskrit, I would say that it should be said so in the article or the word should be included in the page List of English words of Sanskrit origin instead, keeping in line with the tone of the tamil page. But Shiva promised him that he would be on his side in the south. ( Log Out /  And the author Tholkapiyar himself a very well versed in 4 vedas. Tamil has its own independent standing, is our great heritage, was created by a Vedic rishi whose name appears in Vedic compilations. Key words in Sangam Tamil such as Kamam (sexual desire), Manam(mind), Ulakam (world), Arasan (king), avai(Sabha) etc came from Sanskrit. Just as "illakanam", the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit "laksana", so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin. Paranjothy, author of Tiru Vilayadal Purana also says that Lord Siva gave Panini the Sanskrit language and gave Agastya Tamil which is equal to Sanskrit. Today these lies have become so widespread in TN that even devout Hindus want to put extra emphasis on Tamil – Sanskrit divide. Lets respect tamil and sanskrit both are oldest languages. Sanskrit basically consists of 40% Greek words + 40% Tamil words + 10% loan words from other languages + 10% newly coined words. Is it from the indus valley civilization. Supreme Court echoes Agniveer on Sanskrit, On Hindu Ekta, & Sanctity of Temple Customs & Rituals, THIS Mantra Deserves To Be Our National Song. So Agastya’s connection to Tamil is not new. Research paper written by London Swaminathan Can you tell me? Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. No other race in the earth has such Notorious Desire. Be it literature analysis, Archeology or anthropology. If it is a woman, then Srimati (in Tamil Tirumati) is used. The origin of many ancient Greco-Roman words, now a part of modern English have been traced to Sanskrit. This is possible today because we will be starting from scratch. Answer: The difference between the Vedic Sanskrit (1500 BCE) and the classical Sanskrit ( from 3 rd Century BCE) is the difference between the Sangam Tamil ( … ‘Fictional purity’ that blocks promotion of Sanskrit. But that doesn’t mean that he made or found India because India was already present even before he was born. For all these centuries, you have reserved learning of sanskrit to one particular caste , and now suddenly it has become ‘ our own’. In this answer, I wish to highlight some words which are considered to be Sanskrit are actually of Tamil origin. There is no evidence of a version of Tamil that is totally dissociated with Sanskrit. I am also on Quora. – Aryans use Sanskrit and Dravida speak Tamil. Tamil has its own independent standing, is our great heritage, was created by a Vedic rishi whose name appears in Vedic compilations. cavvarici "sago" from Malay sāgu), Chinese (for example, campān "skiff" from Chinese san-pan) and Greek (for example, … Majority of Tamils even today follows Nadukal and forefather worship along with nature worship. But I now have a doubt. AND THE MOST OBJECTIONABLE PART IS ” CHATHUR VARNYAM MAYA SRASHTAM … ” WHICH LATER DEVELOPED INTO OUR STUPID CASTE SYSTEM . Only the people who have gone through the Sangam literature completely can give a conclusion whether Sanskrit or Tamil is older. The Tamil name is Eelam (Tamil: ஈழம், īḻam; also spelled Eezham, Ilam or Izham).. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Archeological evidence prove southerners had trade link with Egyptian, Roman, Chinese and south India was the transit hub between west Asia and Easr Asia. Where is the proof for such a belief in Tamil? > > > … Is tamil derived from Sanskrit Topic started by vinay (@ adsl-67-39-3-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) on Wed Oct 22 22:07:56 . This blog aims at bringing out the past glory and history of India, Hinduism and its forgotten values and wisdom. for example, Mahatma Gandhi was the father of India. Sanskrit being a never-spoken liturgical code … Jambai Tamil Brahmi inscription dated to the … Read your piece on Tamil vs Sanskrit and would like to get following clarification. Because he wants spiritual growth inspite of any religion .he read quaran and bhagvat gita which holy book of any religion no matter.From him we can learn that no religion matters.human well being is matter.And let us see the main principle of all religion is being a good human. The Sanskrit honorific Sri was introduced in the name of the Sri Lanka Freedom Party (Sinhalese: ශ්‍රී ලංකා නිදහස් පක්ෂය Sri Lanka Nidahas Pakshaya), founded in 1952. What does that have to do with language. Concocted by separatist haters like Periyar. Classical is different from Vedic Sanskrit – the mother. One who knows these two languages can learn any language in the world without much difficulty. Earliest Tamil poems made an indirect reference to Agastya by comparing Pothiyil Mountains with the Himalayas. sanskrit is offering language ( Arpith Basha )to gods by tamils , thats why its known devon ki basha. The Sanskrit language was termed as Deva-Vani (‘Deva’ Gods - ‘Vani' language) as it was believed to have been generated by the god Brahma who passed it to the Rishis (sages) living in celestial abodes, who then communicated the same to their earthly disciples from where it spread on earth. I am founder of Agniveer. ( Log Out /  Many languages have. Western philologists do not accept Sanskrit as the original language, the mother of all Indo-European tongues. (Translated by Prof. S Ramakrishnan), Dum Dum Dum Dum dum dum Damaruka natha Sanskrit Is Derived From Tamil. This unfortunate, alienated and antagonistic attitude only erupted in the 20th century, adopted by Dravidian political movements for their own agenda, which derived from new ideas of Western scholars, like the Aryan invasion theory.Neglect of Grantha script in favor of the Devanagari script for writing Sanskrit has added fuel to this unwanted aversion towards Sanskrit. Tamil pandits classify some words having sound like sanskrit as sanskrit words. Research article No.1409; Dated 13th November 2014. And glory was mine Sundar. Ancient Tamils believed that Lord Shiva gave two languages to the Hindus: Sanskrit and Tamil. Do you all know that our former honourable president dr.APJ.Abdul kalam learnt Sanskrit and read Shrimad Bhagvat gita. Of the three great Tamil kingdoms, Pandyas were the one who patronised Tamil language, Tamil Poets and Three Tamil Academies known as Tamil Sangam. But there was never a period when Sanskrit did not influence Tamil. The name itself may be from the … – Tamil may have developed as an independent language. Vedic Sanskrit is oldest and that’s why even Tamils adopted it for worship. It is very common to see people talk about Sanskrit derived words of Tamil. In tamil grammar book tholkapiyam (thol means ancient) which is written by tholkaapiar it is mentioned that to pronounce the Tamil letters one should refer brahmins vedas. PLEASE GOOGLE ” M130 INDIA ” WHICH STATES THAT CARRIERS OF THIS EARLIEST GENE IN INDIA SPEAK TAMIL . But not Gayatri Mantra and Mahamrityunjaya. You argument is baseless and idiotic , the whole caste syatem was based on work culture and not birth,. This blog aims at bringing out the past glory and history of India, Hinduism and its forgotten values and wisdom. Firstly, I would like to address the fact that you referred “anti hindus” as communists. In: p. 349; The language also uses a script called Koleluttu (Rod script), which is derived from the Tamil writing system. Classical is different from Vedic Sanskrit – the mother. DEVI தேவி f Hinduism, Indian, Hindi, Tamil Derived from Sanskrit देवी meaning "goddess". But, why should you hate our own deva bhasha ‘sanskrit’? People had Aham(love) and Puram( valour) and life style into five Thinai( Mountain people(kurunchi),Forest people(Mullai), People in plains(Marutham), The seafarers(Neithal) and people living in waste lands(Palai). Even if i subtract half of of that age, sanskrit is no comparison to Tamil. The vocabulary of Tamil is mainly Dravidian. So yes, Tamil is not derived from classical Sanskrit. He led 18 tribes from the north which is attested by commentator Nachinarkiniyar (See Tolkaapiam commentary and Puram verse 201). “Himalayas was tilting to one side due to heavy concentration of people”. And the other side echoed Tamil. All other Indian languages derive that path. The fact is, Sanskrit HAS been influenced in this way by Dravidian. Sanskrit. Is Sanskrit really difficult than other languages? ‘ Our own’ ? CHETTI செட்டியார் Indian, Telugu, Malayalam, Tamil Variant of CHETTIAR. Just as 'illakanam', the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit 'laksana', so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin For instance, there are two terms used in Tamil grammar, pakuti (pahuti) and vikuti (vihuti) To illustrate in the word 'Ramanukku' (for Raman ), 'Raman ' is pakuti and 'ku' is 'vikuti' Both terms Tamils never found a reason to compete with Sanskrit till 20th century. Sorry bro…. My stand on this is clear: – The study of origin of languages as analyzed today is inherently flawed. The Maranao version is Maharadia … 5. Tamil is an ancient Language like Sanskrit and not derived from any. BALAJI பாலாஜி m Indian, Tamil, Telugu Derived from Sanskrit बल (bála) meaning "power, strength, might". Supporter. Let the Sanskrit of Vedas become lingua-franca. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. SPNer. We may take it as an indirect reference. And in several Tamil sangam literature works sage agasthiya as mentioned vadapal muni means came from Sage of north. Saivite and Vaishnavite saints also praised Sanskrit and Tamil in their hymns from seventh century CE. It is a trivial thing for a language to borrow vocabulary. Moment you sideline Vedas to prove Tamil old, you break foundation of Hinduism and bring it to level of later religions. Repetition is good for elementary school and not for proving anything beyond. The book is divided into chapters along the lines of a Carnatic kriti that trace the origins of the language and literary culture from the Sangam era to the present day. . Sanskrit is only one of the thousands of languages derived from Proto-Indo-European. November 16, 2017 • 12:08 am . (They would suddenly incline to have the help of european scholars and stalwarts) The greedy and arragance are their two nostrils. Just as 'illakanam', the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit 'laksana', so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin For instance, there are two terms used in Tamil grammar, pakuti (pahuti) and vikuti (vihuti) To illustrate in the word 'Ramanukku' (for Raman ), 'Raman ' is pakuti and 'ku' is 'vikuti' Both terms Ramayana in the islands . It will be perished once they lay down in the earth. It is sad to see some Hindu leaders claiming Tamil to be older than Sanskrit. This was the age old belief at least from Kamban’s time (Twelfth Century CE). They believed that Siva’s drum Damaruka gave Sanskrit from one side and Tamil from another side. DILIP திலீப் m Indian, … C. If Tamil be older than Vedas, then Hinduism reduces to a tribal religion. 1000+ sanskrit words that are derived from tamil language: conclusion So, coming to the conclusion part: Our Team members had a discussion saying, what to do, if some Sanskrit Psycho slave would copy this article and say that the Tamils added AM, AA, II, OO, EE, UU sound to Sanskrit words. Yes Tamil is the oldest spoken language today. They dont have proper language and culture. In this article mr.Agniveer himself agees that Tamil is older than paninian but you say that tamil and sanskrit through Lord Shiva came together !!! It is used as Mr and in Tamil Tiru. Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, German, French, etc, have been jointly referred to as belonging to the Indo-European group and derived from one mother language. Until now, Sanskrit is still an official language in the Indian Peninsula despite its limited use as an everyday language. The origin of the language in written form is traced back to the 2nd millennium BCE when the Rig Veda, a collection of sacred hymns, is assumed to ha… It is a trivial thing for a language to borrow vocabulary. It is the easiest, most intuitive, and most binding language of universe. I don’t even why a person named George Jacob is here. But to claim that it is older than Vedas (or Vedic Sanskrit) has no basis whatsoever. In Hinduism, Vedas and Vedic Sanskrit are eternal. Devi is the Hindu mother goddess who manifests herself as all other goddesses. For more, follow Shri Sanjeev on twitter –  Shri Sanjeev Newar on Twitter, On Origin of Languages – Shri Sanjeev Newar Agniveer Ted Talk on reality of caste system having origins in Hindu scriptures by Shri Sanjeev Newar, Learn Conversational Sanskrit – (Video Lessons), Learn Sanskrit in simple manner – 1. Same Shiva is hailed as preserver of Vedas. Why are there similarities between greek and hindu gods (zeus and indra) , does that mean that we were all brainwashed 5000-10000 years ago by migrants(invaders), js like the mughals and the britishers. The word Sanskrit has got a meaning which is 'Perfected'. Ya you are right but sanskrit is derived from tamil and telugu is derived from sanskrit so for you peoples sanskrit is your mother and tamil is your grandmother. The fourteen Maheswara Sutras (fourteen sounds of letters) came from one side of the drum. And hence Vedic Sanskrit is mother that cannot be sidelined. HE IS FROM A VILLAGE CALLED JOTHI MANICKAM NEAR MADURAI . Hence the term Tamil used in this article must be taken to mean words found in Tamil, and not necessarily words of pure Tamil stock. Deprive India of Sanskrit, and nothing but saga of Mughal and British loots remain. April 7, 2020 • 11:39 pm. Hey, I strongly believe that tamil language has its own roots and is independent from any other language in the world. The reason many dedicated people quit learning Sanskrit. Even if they learn Tamil poems only to identify them as superior it is their born blood theory. Esperanto for example. Tamil is the oldest language while compare to all the languages and from tamil derived telugu and kannada and malayalam and also sanskrit also . Any attempt to dissociate a vernacular language from Vedic Sanskrit is nothing more than Kalidas cutting the tree on which he sits. Even Sanskrit contains several Tamil originated words like, Neer,(water), Meen (fish), Nauka (Navai, ship)". These words are not in literary sanskrit is … Since pronunciation is important in vedas the author tells refer vedas. Tamil must be given special importance because it is the oldest spoken language today. Linguist thought the Sanskrit was very influential to several languages in Europe. The reality is we were all migrants/invaders( look at the way we have invaded everything) or touched by or invaded all along generations. can you suggest me a book which can help me to understand what vedas preach us , so that i can follow vedas, Read the Upanishads.. to understand the vedas better… I am a Tamilian and I love tamil and bharatiyar, avvayar, tiruvalluvar, tirumular, et al. Our Tamil saints frequently sing of Lord Murugan and Lord Siva revealing the Vedas to Sage Agastya and other sages living in Tamil Nadu. Kannada, Tamil, Marathi, Telugu, Bangla, Bhojpuri, Marwari, Gujarati, Maithili, Braja, Awadhi, Malayalam, Asamiya, Odiya, Haryanavi, Punjabi, Konkani etc etc – I love them all because they are my family. A. Agastya Rishi is said to be father of Tamil language. As peer of sublime Sanskrit, Poets erudite, experienced and wise Good Shot! 3. As a telugite i have lot of influence of aghasya and ramana maharashi on me. 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Agastya rishi is also a rishi who revealed meaning of the Vaishnavite and saivite saints praised Tamil and on! But, why should these people follow Vedic way of life of Tamils even today follows Nadukal forefather...: – Aryans invaded India and Dravida are original people this assumption can not be sidelined vinay ( @ )... Kannada ] Puram verse 201 ) language while compare to all the languages and wisdom was orally... By Tamil and it is FULL of CONCONTROVERSIES, shining '' or `` moon '' Ilam or Izham ),... Manickam NEAR MADURAI trees for the production of palm wine what impact you make is all that.. Elmer's Glue Pouring Medium Recipe, Digging Out Wisteria, 8bitdo Sn30 Pro Ps4, Fiskars Reel Mower Sharpening, In5 Plugin Indesign Serial, LiknandeHemmaSnart är det dags att fira pappa!Om vårt kaffeSmå projektTemakvällar på caféetRecepttips!" /> > I think the evidence is slightly in favor of Tamil > Sanskrit because "bhaga" is also a name for female genitalia in Sanskrit. Many words which are considered to be of Sanskrit words are actually of Tamil origin. Sage Agastya took delight in me They believed that Siva’s drum Damaruka gave Sanskrit from … – On contrary, Sanskrit must be made national language and used as a a unifying agent for entire India. So yes, Tamil is not derived from classical Sanskrit. The anti-Hindus and communists may argue this way. It is my heritage that I am proud of. The login page will open in a new tab. Topic started by vinay (@ adsl-67-39-3-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) on Wed Oct 22 22:07:56 . Ancient Tamils believed that Lord Shiva gave two languages to the Hindus: Sanskrit and Tamil. You really come across as a loser in this debate. CHETTIAR செட்டியார் Indian, Tamil, Malayalam Refers to a member of any of the various South Indian castes of traders, businessmen, and merchants. Vedas is the mother. Both have similar case suffixes and alphabetical order. Sanskrit. An. Hence the term Tamil used in this article must be taken to mean words found in Tamil, and not necessarily words of pure Tamil stock. But if they disown the mother Vedas – they remain nothing more than some sound waves that any computer can make these days. To This helped preserve Vedic culture without dilutions. January 11, 2019 • 1:20 am. ( Log Out /  Many people classify words having sound like Sanskrit as Sanskrit words. The foundation of Hinduism is that Vedas are Apaurusheya (timeless and not created by humans). CHANDRAN சந்திரன் Indian, Malayalam, Tamil Derived from Sanskrit चन्द्र (candrá) meaning "glittering, shining" or "moon". What is the logic behind it? For instance, there are two terms used in Tamil grammar, pakuti (pahuti) and vikuti (vihuti). Among advanced languages I stood THE GEETHA AUTHOR CEARLY SAYS THAT VARNAS ARE BASED ON GUNAS AND KARMAS ARE AS A RESULT OF GUNAS . Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. DILEEP திலீப் m Indian, Hindi, Marathi, Malayalam, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu Alternate transcription of Hindi/Marathi दिलीप, Malayalam ദിലീപ്, Kannada ದಿಲೀಪ್, Tamil திலீப் or Telugu దిలీప్ (see DILIP). Tamil Letter “Aa” All the south Indian Dravidian languages and many other southeast Asian languages ,African languages are derived from Tamil. First they will tell sound and If we give prompt reply then they will choose evidence and written proof they are well versed in this tact. Here are some examples. The spiritual foundation of Tamils, just like other Hindus, is sourced from Vedas. If it is found that (and I have considerable doubt) kuruntam is derived from sanskrit, I would say that it should be said so in the article or the word should be included in the page List of English words of Sanskrit origin instead, keeping in line with the tone of the tamil page. But Shiva promised him that he would be on his side in the south. ( Log Out /  And the author Tholkapiyar himself a very well versed in 4 vedas. Tamil has its own independent standing, is our great heritage, was created by a Vedic rishi whose name appears in Vedic compilations. Key words in Sangam Tamil such as Kamam (sexual desire), Manam(mind), Ulakam (world), Arasan (king), avai(Sabha) etc came from Sanskrit. Just as "illakanam", the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit "laksana", so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin. Paranjothy, author of Tiru Vilayadal Purana also says that Lord Siva gave Panini the Sanskrit language and gave Agastya Tamil which is equal to Sanskrit. Today these lies have become so widespread in TN that even devout Hindus want to put extra emphasis on Tamil – Sanskrit divide. Lets respect tamil and sanskrit both are oldest languages. Sanskrit basically consists of 40% Greek words + 40% Tamil words + 10% loan words from other languages + 10% newly coined words. Is it from the indus valley civilization. Supreme Court echoes Agniveer on Sanskrit, On Hindu Ekta, & Sanctity of Temple Customs & Rituals, THIS Mantra Deserves To Be Our National Song. So Agastya’s connection to Tamil is not new. Research paper written by London Swaminathan Can you tell me? Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. No other race in the earth has such Notorious Desire. Be it literature analysis, Archeology or anthropology. If it is a woman, then Srimati (in Tamil Tirumati) is used. The origin of many ancient Greco-Roman words, now a part of modern English have been traced to Sanskrit. This is possible today because we will be starting from scratch. Answer: The difference between the Vedic Sanskrit (1500 BCE) and the classical Sanskrit ( from 3 rd Century BCE) is the difference between the Sangam Tamil ( … ‘Fictional purity’ that blocks promotion of Sanskrit. But that doesn’t mean that he made or found India because India was already present even before he was born. For all these centuries, you have reserved learning of sanskrit to one particular caste , and now suddenly it has become ‘ our own’. In this answer, I wish to highlight some words which are considered to be Sanskrit are actually of Tamil origin. There is no evidence of a version of Tamil that is totally dissociated with Sanskrit. I am also on Quora. – Aryans use Sanskrit and Dravida speak Tamil. Tamil has its own independent standing, is our great heritage, was created by a Vedic rishi whose name appears in Vedic compilations. cavvarici "sago" from Malay sāgu), Chinese (for example, campān "skiff" from Chinese san-pan) and Greek (for example, … Majority of Tamils even today follows Nadukal and forefather worship along with nature worship. But I now have a doubt. AND THE MOST OBJECTIONABLE PART IS ” CHATHUR VARNYAM MAYA SRASHTAM … ” WHICH LATER DEVELOPED INTO OUR STUPID CASTE SYSTEM . Only the people who have gone through the Sangam literature completely can give a conclusion whether Sanskrit or Tamil is older. The Tamil name is Eelam (Tamil: ஈழம், īḻam; also spelled Eezham, Ilam or Izham).. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Archeological evidence prove southerners had trade link with Egyptian, Roman, Chinese and south India was the transit hub between west Asia and Easr Asia. Where is the proof for such a belief in Tamil? > > > … Is tamil derived from Sanskrit Topic started by vinay (@ adsl-67-39-3-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) on Wed Oct 22 22:07:56 . This blog aims at bringing out the past glory and history of India, Hinduism and its forgotten values and wisdom. for example, Mahatma Gandhi was the father of India. Sanskrit being a never-spoken liturgical code … Jambai Tamil Brahmi inscription dated to the … Read your piece on Tamil vs Sanskrit and would like to get following clarification. Because he wants spiritual growth inspite of any religion .he read quaran and bhagvat gita which holy book of any religion no matter.From him we can learn that no religion matters.human well being is matter.And let us see the main principle of all religion is being a good human. The Sanskrit honorific Sri was introduced in the name of the Sri Lanka Freedom Party (Sinhalese: ශ්‍රී ලංකා නිදහස් පක්ෂය Sri Lanka Nidahas Pakshaya), founded in 1952. What does that have to do with language. Concocted by separatist haters like Periyar. Classical is different from Vedic Sanskrit – the mother. One who knows these two languages can learn any language in the world without much difficulty. Earliest Tamil poems made an indirect reference to Agastya by comparing Pothiyil Mountains with the Himalayas. sanskrit is offering language ( Arpith Basha )to gods by tamils , thats why its known devon ki basha. The Sanskrit language was termed as Deva-Vani (‘Deva’ Gods - ‘Vani' language) as it was believed to have been generated by the god Brahma who passed it to the Rishis (sages) living in celestial abodes, who then communicated the same to their earthly disciples from where it spread on earth. I am founder of Agniveer. ( Log Out /  Many languages have. Western philologists do not accept Sanskrit as the original language, the mother of all Indo-European tongues. (Translated by Prof. S Ramakrishnan), Dum Dum Dum Dum dum dum Damaruka natha Sanskrit Is Derived From Tamil. This unfortunate, alienated and antagonistic attitude only erupted in the 20th century, adopted by Dravidian political movements for their own agenda, which derived from new ideas of Western scholars, like the Aryan invasion theory.Neglect of Grantha script in favor of the Devanagari script for writing Sanskrit has added fuel to this unwanted aversion towards Sanskrit. Tamil pandits classify some words having sound like sanskrit as sanskrit words. Research article No.1409; Dated 13th November 2014. And glory was mine Sundar. Ancient Tamils believed that Lord Shiva gave two languages to the Hindus: Sanskrit and Tamil. Do you all know that our former honourable president dr.APJ.Abdul kalam learnt Sanskrit and read Shrimad Bhagvat gita. Of the three great Tamil kingdoms, Pandyas were the one who patronised Tamil language, Tamil Poets and Three Tamil Academies known as Tamil Sangam. But there was never a period when Sanskrit did not influence Tamil. The name itself may be from the … – Tamil may have developed as an independent language. Vedic Sanskrit is oldest and that’s why even Tamils adopted it for worship. It is very common to see people talk about Sanskrit derived words of Tamil. In tamil grammar book tholkapiyam (thol means ancient) which is written by tholkaapiar it is mentioned that to pronounce the Tamil letters one should refer brahmins vedas. PLEASE GOOGLE ” M130 INDIA ” WHICH STATES THAT CARRIERS OF THIS EARLIEST GENE IN INDIA SPEAK TAMIL . But not Gayatri Mantra and Mahamrityunjaya. You argument is baseless and idiotic , the whole caste syatem was based on work culture and not birth,. This blog aims at bringing out the past glory and history of India, Hinduism and its forgotten values and wisdom. Firstly, I would like to address the fact that you referred “anti hindus” as communists. In: p. 349; The language also uses a script called Koleluttu (Rod script), which is derived from the Tamil writing system. Classical is different from Vedic Sanskrit – the mother. DEVI தேவி f Hinduism, Indian, Hindi, Tamil Derived from Sanskrit देवी meaning "goddess". But, why should you hate our own deva bhasha ‘sanskrit’? People had Aham(love) and Puram( valour) and life style into five Thinai( Mountain people(kurunchi),Forest people(Mullai), People in plains(Marutham), The seafarers(Neithal) and people living in waste lands(Palai). Even if i subtract half of of that age, sanskrit is no comparison to Tamil. The vocabulary of Tamil is mainly Dravidian. So yes, Tamil is not derived from classical Sanskrit. He led 18 tribes from the north which is attested by commentator Nachinarkiniyar (See Tolkaapiam commentary and Puram verse 201). “Himalayas was tilting to one side due to heavy concentration of people”. And the other side echoed Tamil. All other Indian languages derive that path. The fact is, Sanskrit HAS been influenced in this way by Dravidian. Sanskrit. Is Sanskrit really difficult than other languages? ‘ Our own’ ? CHETTI செட்டியார் Indian, Telugu, Malayalam, Tamil Variant of CHETTIAR. Just as 'illakanam', the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit 'laksana', so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin For instance, there are two terms used in Tamil grammar, pakuti (pahuti) and vikuti (vihuti) To illustrate in the word 'Ramanukku' (for Raman ), 'Raman ' is pakuti and 'ku' is 'vikuti' Both terms Tamils never found a reason to compete with Sanskrit till 20th century. Sorry bro…. My stand on this is clear: – The study of origin of languages as analyzed today is inherently flawed. The Maranao version is Maharadia … 5. Tamil is an ancient Language like Sanskrit and not derived from any. BALAJI பாலாஜி m Indian, Tamil, Telugu Derived from Sanskrit बल (bála) meaning "power, strength, might". Supporter. Let the Sanskrit of Vedas become lingua-franca. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. SPNer. We may take it as an indirect reference. And in several Tamil sangam literature works sage agasthiya as mentioned vadapal muni means came from Sage of north. Saivite and Vaishnavite saints also praised Sanskrit and Tamil in their hymns from seventh century CE. It is a trivial thing for a language to borrow vocabulary. Moment you sideline Vedas to prove Tamil old, you break foundation of Hinduism and bring it to level of later religions. Repetition is good for elementary school and not for proving anything beyond. The book is divided into chapters along the lines of a Carnatic kriti that trace the origins of the language and literary culture from the Sangam era to the present day. . Sanskrit is only one of the thousands of languages derived from Proto-Indo-European. November 16, 2017 • 12:08 am . (They would suddenly incline to have the help of european scholars and stalwarts) The greedy and arragance are their two nostrils. Just as 'illakanam', the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit 'laksana', so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin For instance, there are two terms used in Tamil grammar, pakuti (pahuti) and vikuti (vihuti) To illustrate in the word 'Ramanukku' (for Raman ), 'Raman ' is pakuti and 'ku' is 'vikuti' Both terms Ramayana in the islands . It will be perished once they lay down in the earth. It is sad to see some Hindu leaders claiming Tamil to be older than Sanskrit. This was the age old belief at least from Kamban’s time (Twelfth Century CE). They believed that Siva’s drum Damaruka gave Sanskrit from one side and Tamil from another side. DILIP திலீப் m Indian, … C. If Tamil be older than Vedas, then Hinduism reduces to a tribal religion. 1000+ sanskrit words that are derived from tamil language: conclusion So, coming to the conclusion part: Our Team members had a discussion saying, what to do, if some Sanskrit Psycho slave would copy this article and say that the Tamils added AM, AA, II, OO, EE, UU sound to Sanskrit words. Yes Tamil is the oldest spoken language today. They dont have proper language and culture. In this article mr.Agniveer himself agees that Tamil is older than paninian but you say that tamil and sanskrit through Lord Shiva came together !!! It is used as Mr and in Tamil Tiru. Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, German, French, etc, have been jointly referred to as belonging to the Indo-European group and derived from one mother language. Until now, Sanskrit is still an official language in the Indian Peninsula despite its limited use as an everyday language. The origin of the language in written form is traced back to the 2nd millennium BCE when the Rig Veda, a collection of sacred hymns, is assumed to ha… It is a trivial thing for a language to borrow vocabulary. It is the easiest, most intuitive, and most binding language of universe. I don’t even why a person named George Jacob is here. But to claim that it is older than Vedas (or Vedic Sanskrit) has no basis whatsoever. In Hinduism, Vedas and Vedic Sanskrit are eternal. Devi is the Hindu mother goddess who manifests herself as all other goddesses. For more, follow Shri Sanjeev on twitter –  Shri Sanjeev Newar on Twitter, On Origin of Languages – Shri Sanjeev Newar Agniveer Ted Talk on reality of caste system having origins in Hindu scriptures by Shri Sanjeev Newar, Learn Conversational Sanskrit – (Video Lessons), Learn Sanskrit in simple manner – 1. Same Shiva is hailed as preserver of Vedas. Why are there similarities between greek and hindu gods (zeus and indra) , does that mean that we were all brainwashed 5000-10000 years ago by migrants(invaders), js like the mughals and the britishers. The word Sanskrit has got a meaning which is 'Perfected'. Ya you are right but sanskrit is derived from tamil and telugu is derived from sanskrit so for you peoples sanskrit is your mother and tamil is your grandmother. The fourteen Maheswara Sutras (fourteen sounds of letters) came from one side of the drum. And hence Vedic Sanskrit is mother that cannot be sidelined. HE IS FROM A VILLAGE CALLED JOTHI MANICKAM NEAR MADURAI . Hence the term Tamil used in this article must be taken to mean words found in Tamil, and not necessarily words of pure Tamil stock. Deprive India of Sanskrit, and nothing but saga of Mughal and British loots remain. April 7, 2020 • 11:39 pm. Hey, I strongly believe that tamil language has its own roots and is independent from any other language in the world. The reason many dedicated people quit learning Sanskrit. Even if they learn Tamil poems only to identify them as superior it is their born blood theory. Esperanto for example. Tamil is the oldest language while compare to all the languages and from tamil derived telugu and kannada and malayalam and also sanskrit also . Any attempt to dissociate a vernacular language from Vedic Sanskrit is nothing more than Kalidas cutting the tree on which he sits. Even Sanskrit contains several Tamil originated words like, Neer,(water), Meen (fish), Nauka (Navai, ship)". These words are not in literary sanskrit is … Since pronunciation is important in vedas the author tells refer vedas. Tamil must be given special importance because it is the oldest spoken language today. Linguist thought the Sanskrit was very influential to several languages in Europe. The reality is we were all migrants/invaders( look at the way we have invaded everything) or touched by or invaded all along generations. can you suggest me a book which can help me to understand what vedas preach us , so that i can follow vedas, Read the Upanishads.. to understand the vedas better… I am a Tamilian and I love tamil and bharatiyar, avvayar, tiruvalluvar, tirumular, et al. Our Tamil saints frequently sing of Lord Murugan and Lord Siva revealing the Vedas to Sage Agastya and other sages living in Tamil Nadu. Kannada, Tamil, Marathi, Telugu, Bangla, Bhojpuri, Marwari, Gujarati, Maithili, Braja, Awadhi, Malayalam, Asamiya, Odiya, Haryanavi, Punjabi, Konkani etc etc – I love them all because they are my family. A. Agastya Rishi is said to be father of Tamil language. As peer of sublime Sanskrit, Poets erudite, experienced and wise Good Shot! 3. As a telugite i have lot of influence of aghasya and ramana maharashi on me. 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is tamil derived from sanskrit

Its the parent for Any Dravidian languages [Malayalam, Telugu, Kannada]. These forms are derived from "one (less than) ten". Ravana-Pandya Peace Treaty: Kalidasa solves a Tamil Puzzle (24th June 2014) Oh my goodness! Bam Bam Bam bam bam bam Bhaje Damaru (Bhajan song). THEIR ORIGINAL FORE FATHERS MIGHT HAVE SPOKEN RUDIMENTARY TAMIL BUT NOT EVEN THE WILDEST OF IMAGINATION CAN MAKE US THINK THAT THEY SPOKE ANY VERSION OF SANSKRIT OR CHANTED ANY VEDAS .ONE SUCH PERSON IDENTIFIED IS MR. VIRUMANDI THEVAR . So they derived their language (sanskrit) from the native indian language which is tamil. But, there are many misconceptions. They want to purify tamil,thinking that sanskrit is alien from tamil. Cherished me with loving care Sweet poems to enrich me, 3.Treatises, scientific and spiritual Telugu is also a … Classical Sanskrit is derived from certain narrow rules from Vedic Sanskrit. The fourteen Maheswara Sutras (fourteen sounds of letters) came from one side of the drum. 1000+ sanskrit words that are derived from tamil language: conclusion So, coming to the conclusion part: Our Team members had a discussion saying, what to do, if some Sanskrit Psycho slave would copy this article and say that the Tamils added AM, AA, II, OO, EE, UU sound to Sanskrit words. Perfectly acceptable considering the way it has thrived and richness it possesses. Aryans devoted to Sun as God. But indian tamil pandits talk about sanskrit derived words of tamil. Tamils have been living in this land from the days of Ravana. Pothyil was the hill where Agastya established his southern most Ashram. Rama himself progeny of Dravida king manu was Dravida and spoke tamil !!! Spend few minutes daily on one of these and you will be able to learn basics of conversational Sanskrit in simple manner. Sanskrit and Sanskrit-derived words common to most Philippine languages: * sutla “silk” from the Sanskrit sutra * kapas “cotton” from the Sanskrit kerpas * naga “dragon or serpent” from the Sanskrit naga. Lessons in Hindi, English. The oldest book in Tamil, Tolkappiyam, speaks of Dharma Artha Kama in the same order. Nothing in world does. Click here to ‘Like’ this page on Facebook. Just go home to mommy. Ramayana and Mahabharata are popular in all the South East Asian countries. Hence not older than Vedas. – Tamil must be nurtured just like other vernacular languages. Irony is that Sanskrit and Sanskrit based Hinduism is still mainstay of Tamil spiritualism. telugu is not derived from tamil… it is 90% taken from Sanskrit.. none of the tamil and telugu words are same then how come you say it is a derivation from tamil… most of … Anyone who wants to understand Indian culture must study literature in these two languages; otherwise one’s knowledge will be incomplete in this area. It’s pristine purity makes it a wonder of world. We don’t know whether one Agastya did this or his descendants did one after another. That reached the ends of earth. Combined wine and fire, wind and cosmic space; But when Hindus argue this just to prove superiority of Tamil language, I can only pity. Everyone knew Vedas are mother and hence Tamils preserved Vedas more than other regions of India. Then how and why should these people follow Vedic way of life ? Sanskrit, which is 4,000 years old (some say its 6,000 years of age), used to be the language of the classics in India. Tamil and Sanskrit came from the same source. How does it correlate with Vedic methods? ( one may compare it with the Sanskrit root/word "Deva" also meaning God ). All these are found in ancient Tamil commentaries from 13th century (please see for details Ravana-Pandya Peace treaty posted on 24th June 2014). Posted by Tamil and Vedas on November 13, 2014, https://tamilandvedas.com/2014/11/13/origin-of-tamil-and-sanskrit/. Does it not imply that the two stocks are different? He is said to have migrated from North India. Hey, I strongly believe that tamil language has its own roots and is independent from any other language in the world. Soon it became blasphemy in Tamil Nadu if you say Tamil is not oldest. The entire drama of Tamil being older than Sanskrit started with Dravida politics that demanded separate nation like Pakistan. Tiruvalluvar who followed Tolkappiyar also said everything in 1330 couplets under Dharma Artha and Kama (Aram, Porul, Inbam in Tamil) in his Tirukkural. B. The same Agastya Rishi is also a Rishi who revealed meaning of several Vedic Mantras. Because in sanskrit too we have "kama". Because then you admit that while Christians have a Holy Bible and Muslims have a Holy Quran, we have nothing Holy and hence we are always available for adjustments and change. A peace treaty was signed between the Pandyas and Ravana not to attack Tamil Nadu. but -- recently it was discovered that vedic sanskrit is tamil language itself. Tamil is definitely older than Classical Sanskrit (that of Kalidas). 2. Greatest of the modern Tamil poets Subramanya Bharati said in his poem “Mother Tamil”: 1.Siva the supreme was my father Population Explosion: Oldest Reference is in Hindu Scriptures (posted on 2nd February 2013). Is the word "kamam" in tamil is derived from Sanskrit or not. Just as "illakanam", the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit "laksana", so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin. Tamil is a phonetic language and is subject to well-defined rules of elision and euphony. Tamil and Sanskrit. Agastya was sent by Lord Shiva to the south to reduce the imbalance in the population in Northern India (Please see the details in my earlier post on the Population Explosion: Oldest Reference is in Hindu Scriptures posted on 2nd February 2013). Bharati did not concoct a new story. The only 2 proofs are Dravidian regional politics and JNU brand anti-Hindu allergy. North Indians, particularly a sect and race have mindset within vedas and ubanishads. The Tamil form of deva ... > > I think the evidence is slightly in favor of Tamil > Sanskrit because "bhaga" is also a name for female genitalia in Sanskrit. Many words which are considered to be of Sanskrit words are actually of Tamil origin. Sage Agastya took delight in me They believed that Siva’s drum Damaruka gave Sanskrit from … – On contrary, Sanskrit must be made national language and used as a a unifying agent for entire India. So yes, Tamil is not derived from classical Sanskrit. The anti-Hindus and communists may argue this way. It is my heritage that I am proud of. The login page will open in a new tab. Topic started by vinay (@ adsl-67-39-3-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) on Wed Oct 22 22:07:56 . Ancient Tamils believed that Lord Shiva gave two languages to the Hindus: Sanskrit and Tamil. You really come across as a loser in this debate. CHETTIAR செட்டியார் Indian, Tamil, Malayalam Refers to a member of any of the various South Indian castes of traders, businessmen, and merchants. Vedas is the mother. Both have similar case suffixes and alphabetical order. Sanskrit. An. Hence the term Tamil used in this article must be taken to mean words found in Tamil, and not necessarily words of pure Tamil stock. But if they disown the mother Vedas – they remain nothing more than some sound waves that any computer can make these days. To This helped preserve Vedic culture without dilutions. January 11, 2019 • 1:20 am. ( Log Out /  Many people classify words having sound like Sanskrit as Sanskrit words. The foundation of Hinduism is that Vedas are Apaurusheya (timeless and not created by humans). CHANDRAN சந்திரன் Indian, Malayalam, Tamil Derived from Sanskrit चन्द्र (candrá) meaning "glittering, shining" or "moon". What is the logic behind it? For instance, there are two terms used in Tamil grammar, pakuti (pahuti) and vikuti (vihuti). Among advanced languages I stood THE GEETHA AUTHOR CEARLY SAYS THAT VARNAS ARE BASED ON GUNAS AND KARMAS ARE AS A RESULT OF GUNAS . Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. DILEEP திலீப் m Indian, Hindi, Marathi, Malayalam, Kannada, Tamil, Telugu Alternate transcription of Hindi/Marathi दिलीप, Malayalam ദിലീപ്, Kannada ದಿಲೀಪ್, Tamil திலீப் or Telugu దిలీప్ (see DILIP). Tamil Letter “Aa” All the south Indian Dravidian languages and many other southeast Asian languages ,African languages are derived from Tamil. First they will tell sound and If we give prompt reply then they will choose evidence and written proof they are well versed in this tact. Here are some examples. The spiritual foundation of Tamils, just like other Hindus, is sourced from Vedas. If it is found that (and I have considerable doubt) kuruntam is derived from sanskrit, I would say that it should be said so in the article or the word should be included in the page List of English words of Sanskrit origin instead, keeping in line with the tone of the tamil page. But Shiva promised him that he would be on his side in the south. ( Log Out /  And the author Tholkapiyar himself a very well versed in 4 vedas. Tamil has its own independent standing, is our great heritage, was created by a Vedic rishi whose name appears in Vedic compilations. Key words in Sangam Tamil such as Kamam (sexual desire), Manam(mind), Ulakam (world), Arasan (king), avai(Sabha) etc came from Sanskrit. Just as "illakanam", the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit "laksana", so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin. Paranjothy, author of Tiru Vilayadal Purana also says that Lord Siva gave Panini the Sanskrit language and gave Agastya Tamil which is equal to Sanskrit. Today these lies have become so widespread in TN that even devout Hindus want to put extra emphasis on Tamil – Sanskrit divide. Lets respect tamil and sanskrit both are oldest languages. Sanskrit basically consists of 40% Greek words + 40% Tamil words + 10% loan words from other languages + 10% newly coined words. Is it from the indus valley civilization. Supreme Court echoes Agniveer on Sanskrit, On Hindu Ekta, & Sanctity of Temple Customs & Rituals, THIS Mantra Deserves To Be Our National Song. So Agastya’s connection to Tamil is not new. Research paper written by London Swaminathan Can you tell me? Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. No other race in the earth has such Notorious Desire. Be it literature analysis, Archeology or anthropology. If it is a woman, then Srimati (in Tamil Tirumati) is used. The origin of many ancient Greco-Roman words, now a part of modern English have been traced to Sanskrit. This is possible today because we will be starting from scratch. Answer: The difference between the Vedic Sanskrit (1500 BCE) and the classical Sanskrit ( from 3 rd Century BCE) is the difference between the Sangam Tamil ( … ‘Fictional purity’ that blocks promotion of Sanskrit. But that doesn’t mean that he made or found India because India was already present even before he was born. For all these centuries, you have reserved learning of sanskrit to one particular caste , and now suddenly it has become ‘ our own’. In this answer, I wish to highlight some words which are considered to be Sanskrit are actually of Tamil origin. There is no evidence of a version of Tamil that is totally dissociated with Sanskrit. I am also on Quora. – Aryans use Sanskrit and Dravida speak Tamil. Tamil has its own independent standing, is our great heritage, was created by a Vedic rishi whose name appears in Vedic compilations. cavvarici "sago" from Malay sāgu), Chinese (for example, campān "skiff" from Chinese san-pan) and Greek (for example, … Majority of Tamils even today follows Nadukal and forefather worship along with nature worship. But I now have a doubt. AND THE MOST OBJECTIONABLE PART IS ” CHATHUR VARNYAM MAYA SRASHTAM … ” WHICH LATER DEVELOPED INTO OUR STUPID CASTE SYSTEM . Only the people who have gone through the Sangam literature completely can give a conclusion whether Sanskrit or Tamil is older. The Tamil name is Eelam (Tamil: ஈழம், īḻam; also spelled Eezham, Ilam or Izham).. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Archeological evidence prove southerners had trade link with Egyptian, Roman, Chinese and south India was the transit hub between west Asia and Easr Asia. Where is the proof for such a belief in Tamil? > > > … Is tamil derived from Sanskrit Topic started by vinay (@ adsl-67-39-3-180.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) on Wed Oct 22 22:07:56 . This blog aims at bringing out the past glory and history of India, Hinduism and its forgotten values and wisdom. for example, Mahatma Gandhi was the father of India. Sanskrit being a never-spoken liturgical code … Jambai Tamil Brahmi inscription dated to the … Read your piece on Tamil vs Sanskrit and would like to get following clarification. Because he wants spiritual growth inspite of any religion .he read quaran and bhagvat gita which holy book of any religion no matter.From him we can learn that no religion matters.human well being is matter.And let us see the main principle of all religion is being a good human. The Sanskrit honorific Sri was introduced in the name of the Sri Lanka Freedom Party (Sinhalese: ශ්‍රී ලංකා නිදහස් පක්ෂය Sri Lanka Nidahas Pakshaya), founded in 1952. What does that have to do with language. Concocted by separatist haters like Periyar. Classical is different from Vedic Sanskrit – the mother. One who knows these two languages can learn any language in the world without much difficulty. Earliest Tamil poems made an indirect reference to Agastya by comparing Pothiyil Mountains with the Himalayas. sanskrit is offering language ( Arpith Basha )to gods by tamils , thats why its known devon ki basha. The Sanskrit language was termed as Deva-Vani (‘Deva’ Gods - ‘Vani' language) as it was believed to have been generated by the god Brahma who passed it to the Rishis (sages) living in celestial abodes, who then communicated the same to their earthly disciples from where it spread on earth. I am founder of Agniveer. ( Log Out /  Many languages have. Western philologists do not accept Sanskrit as the original language, the mother of all Indo-European tongues. (Translated by Prof. S Ramakrishnan), Dum Dum Dum Dum dum dum Damaruka natha Sanskrit Is Derived From Tamil. This unfortunate, alienated and antagonistic attitude only erupted in the 20th century, adopted by Dravidian political movements for their own agenda, which derived from new ideas of Western scholars, like the Aryan invasion theory.Neglect of Grantha script in favor of the Devanagari script for writing Sanskrit has added fuel to this unwanted aversion towards Sanskrit. Tamil pandits classify some words having sound like sanskrit as sanskrit words. Research article No.1409; Dated 13th November 2014. And glory was mine Sundar. Ancient Tamils believed that Lord Shiva gave two languages to the Hindus: Sanskrit and Tamil. Do you all know that our former honourable president dr.APJ.Abdul kalam learnt Sanskrit and read Shrimad Bhagvat gita. Of the three great Tamil kingdoms, Pandyas were the one who patronised Tamil language, Tamil Poets and Three Tamil Academies known as Tamil Sangam. But there was never a period when Sanskrit did not influence Tamil. The name itself may be from the … – Tamil may have developed as an independent language. Vedic Sanskrit is oldest and that’s why even Tamils adopted it for worship. It is very common to see people talk about Sanskrit derived words of Tamil. In tamil grammar book tholkapiyam (thol means ancient) which is written by tholkaapiar it is mentioned that to pronounce the Tamil letters one should refer brahmins vedas. PLEASE GOOGLE ” M130 INDIA ” WHICH STATES THAT CARRIERS OF THIS EARLIEST GENE IN INDIA SPEAK TAMIL . But not Gayatri Mantra and Mahamrityunjaya. You argument is baseless and idiotic , the whole caste syatem was based on work culture and not birth,. This blog aims at bringing out the past glory and history of India, Hinduism and its forgotten values and wisdom. Firstly, I would like to address the fact that you referred “anti hindus” as communists. In: p. 349; The language also uses a script called Koleluttu (Rod script), which is derived from the Tamil writing system. Classical is different from Vedic Sanskrit – the mother. DEVI தேவி f Hinduism, Indian, Hindi, Tamil Derived from Sanskrit देवी meaning "goddess". But, why should you hate our own deva bhasha ‘sanskrit’? People had Aham(love) and Puram( valour) and life style into five Thinai( Mountain people(kurunchi),Forest people(Mullai), People in plains(Marutham), The seafarers(Neithal) and people living in waste lands(Palai). Even if i subtract half of of that age, sanskrit is no comparison to Tamil. The vocabulary of Tamil is mainly Dravidian. So yes, Tamil is not derived from classical Sanskrit. He led 18 tribes from the north which is attested by commentator Nachinarkiniyar (See Tolkaapiam commentary and Puram verse 201). “Himalayas was tilting to one side due to heavy concentration of people”. And the other side echoed Tamil. All other Indian languages derive that path. The fact is, Sanskrit HAS been influenced in this way by Dravidian. Sanskrit. Is Sanskrit really difficult than other languages? ‘ Our own’ ? CHETTI செட்டியார் Indian, Telugu, Malayalam, Tamil Variant of CHETTIAR. Just as 'illakanam', the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit 'laksana', so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin For instance, there are two terms used in Tamil grammar, pakuti (pahuti) and vikuti (vihuti) To illustrate in the word 'Ramanukku' (for Raman ), 'Raman ' is pakuti and 'ku' is 'vikuti' Both terms Tamils never found a reason to compete with Sanskrit till 20th century. Sorry bro…. My stand on this is clear: – The study of origin of languages as analyzed today is inherently flawed. The Maranao version is Maharadia … 5. Tamil is an ancient Language like Sanskrit and not derived from any. BALAJI பாலாஜி m Indian, Tamil, Telugu Derived from Sanskrit बल (bála) meaning "power, strength, might". Supporter. Let the Sanskrit of Vedas become lingua-franca. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. SPNer. We may take it as an indirect reference. And in several Tamil sangam literature works sage agasthiya as mentioned vadapal muni means came from Sage of north. Saivite and Vaishnavite saints also praised Sanskrit and Tamil in their hymns from seventh century CE. It is a trivial thing for a language to borrow vocabulary. Moment you sideline Vedas to prove Tamil old, you break foundation of Hinduism and bring it to level of later religions. Repetition is good for elementary school and not for proving anything beyond. The book is divided into chapters along the lines of a Carnatic kriti that trace the origins of the language and literary culture from the Sangam era to the present day. . Sanskrit is only one of the thousands of languages derived from Proto-Indo-European. November 16, 2017 • 12:08 am . (They would suddenly incline to have the help of european scholars and stalwarts) The greedy and arragance are their two nostrils. Just as 'illakanam', the Tamil word for grammar, is derived from the Sanskrit 'laksana', so too a number of other words that have to do with grammar in that language are of Sanskrit origin For instance, there are two terms used in Tamil grammar, pakuti (pahuti) and vikuti (vihuti) To illustrate in the word 'Ramanukku' (for Raman ), 'Raman ' is pakuti and 'ku' is 'vikuti' Both terms Ramayana in the islands . It will be perished once they lay down in the earth. It is sad to see some Hindu leaders claiming Tamil to be older than Sanskrit. This was the age old belief at least from Kamban’s time (Twelfth Century CE). They believed that Siva’s drum Damaruka gave Sanskrit from one side and Tamil from another side. DILIP திலீப் m Indian, … C. If Tamil be older than Vedas, then Hinduism reduces to a tribal religion. 1000+ sanskrit words that are derived from tamil language: conclusion So, coming to the conclusion part: Our Team members had a discussion saying, what to do, if some Sanskrit Psycho slave would copy this article and say that the Tamils added AM, AA, II, OO, EE, UU sound to Sanskrit words. Yes Tamil is the oldest spoken language today. They dont have proper language and culture. In this article mr.Agniveer himself agees that Tamil is older than paninian but you say that tamil and sanskrit through Lord Shiva came together !!! It is used as Mr and in Tamil Tiru. Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, German, French, etc, have been jointly referred to as belonging to the Indo-European group and derived from one mother language. Until now, Sanskrit is still an official language in the Indian Peninsula despite its limited use as an everyday language. The origin of the language in written form is traced back to the 2nd millennium BCE when the Rig Veda, a collection of sacred hymns, is assumed to ha… It is a trivial thing for a language to borrow vocabulary. It is the easiest, most intuitive, and most binding language of universe. I don’t even why a person named George Jacob is here. But to claim that it is older than Vedas (or Vedic Sanskrit) has no basis whatsoever. In Hinduism, Vedas and Vedic Sanskrit are eternal. Devi is the Hindu mother goddess who manifests herself as all other goddesses. For more, follow Shri Sanjeev on twitter –  Shri Sanjeev Newar on Twitter, On Origin of Languages – Shri Sanjeev Newar Agniveer Ted Talk on reality of caste system having origins in Hindu scriptures by Shri Sanjeev Newar, Learn Conversational Sanskrit – (Video Lessons), Learn Sanskrit in simple manner – 1. Same Shiva is hailed as preserver of Vedas. Why are there similarities between greek and hindu gods (zeus and indra) , does that mean that we were all brainwashed 5000-10000 years ago by migrants(invaders), js like the mughals and the britishers. The word Sanskrit has got a meaning which is 'Perfected'. Ya you are right but sanskrit is derived from tamil and telugu is derived from sanskrit so for you peoples sanskrit is your mother and tamil is your grandmother. The fourteen Maheswara Sutras (fourteen sounds of letters) came from one side of the drum. And hence Vedic Sanskrit is mother that cannot be sidelined. HE IS FROM A VILLAGE CALLED JOTHI MANICKAM NEAR MADURAI . Hence the term Tamil used in this article must be taken to mean words found in Tamil, and not necessarily words of pure Tamil stock. Deprive India of Sanskrit, and nothing but saga of Mughal and British loots remain. April 7, 2020 • 11:39 pm. Hey, I strongly believe that tamil language has its own roots and is independent from any other language in the world. The reason many dedicated people quit learning Sanskrit. Even if they learn Tamil poems only to identify them as superior it is their born blood theory. Esperanto for example. Tamil is the oldest language while compare to all the languages and from tamil derived telugu and kannada and malayalam and also sanskrit also . Any attempt to dissociate a vernacular language from Vedic Sanskrit is nothing more than Kalidas cutting the tree on which he sits. Even Sanskrit contains several Tamil originated words like, Neer,(water), Meen (fish), Nauka (Navai, ship)". These words are not in literary sanskrit is … Since pronunciation is important in vedas the author tells refer vedas. Tamil must be given special importance because it is the oldest spoken language today. Linguist thought the Sanskrit was very influential to several languages in Europe. The reality is we were all migrants/invaders( look at the way we have invaded everything) or touched by or invaded all along generations. can you suggest me a book which can help me to understand what vedas preach us , so that i can follow vedas, Read the Upanishads.. to understand the vedas better… I am a Tamilian and I love tamil and bharatiyar, avvayar, tiruvalluvar, tirumular, et al. Our Tamil saints frequently sing of Lord Murugan and Lord Siva revealing the Vedas to Sage Agastya and other sages living in Tamil Nadu. Kannada, Tamil, Marathi, Telugu, Bangla, Bhojpuri, Marwari, Gujarati, Maithili, Braja, Awadhi, Malayalam, Asamiya, Odiya, Haryanavi, Punjabi, Konkani etc etc – I love them all because they are my family. A. Agastya Rishi is said to be father of Tamil language. As peer of sublime Sanskrit, Poets erudite, experienced and wise Good Shot! 3. As a telugite i have lot of influence of aghasya and ramana maharashi on me. 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